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Note: This is an original transcript–edited for sense, length, and clarity.  If you have any questions or concerns, please email our host, Doria Lavagnino, at doria@sheventurespodcast.com.

Intro:

Doria Lavagnino: 

Her childhood was spent in an orphanage in South Korea where she endured physical and mental abuse, poverty, and hunger. At 14, she was adopted by an American family and realized she was given a new opportunity. She worked as a certified nurse assistant for decades —  and about seven years ago she became interested in trading in options, and complex financial instruments, achieved substantial success and has become a millionaire and a book author.

Here to fill in the blanks in what must be a mindblowing journey is Sun Yong Kim-Manzolini. Sun Yong, welcome to SheVentures.

00.47.14

Sun Yong Kim-Manzolini: Thank you, thank you so much. I’m glad to be here today.

Sun Yong’s Beginning

00:53:60

Doria: 

It is a pleasure. When I read about you I said, “I’ve go to have this woman on my podcast” because what a journey you have had. I wanted to start at the beginning. You spent more than a decade of your life knowing nothing outside of the orphanage where you were raised. Can you describe the conditions there and what might have happened on a typical day?

01:18:15

Sun Yong:

Sure. I was dropped off with my sister after my mother passed away when I was about 2 or so. My dad decided: “I can’t take care of you guys.” My sister and I became instant orphans and we stayed at one orphanage. 

And then one year she decided to show me a picture and I said, “What is that?” She just said, “This is where I’m gonna take you.” I said, “No, I don’t want to go anywhere. I’m fine living with you.” She said, “but I have to take you there.” And I was like, “No I’m not going anywhere.” She took me to another orphanage. It’s called a rehab center. 

It was so full of handicapped kids. All the kids there were getting around with wheelchairs, crutches, and things like that. And then there was me. I didn’t even know how to walk and so she decided to take me there because that’s the only place that she knew was an orphanage. It was also in collaboration with the rehab center. 

And so she dropped me off. It was a very hard separation. She had to lie to me and say she had to go to the bathroom because she knew that I was going to not let go of her. I would have just held onto her hand and told her “I don’t want to go, I don’t want to go.” So I finally let her go and she never came back. That was the pivotal point of my life where I hated people.

03:21:89

Doria:

Of course, yeah. You were abandoned completely.

03: 25:91

Sun Yong:

I lost all trust in people in the world. Yeah, I was abandoned by my dad and then by my sister. I did not smile for the first 14 years of my life. I never looked in the mirror. I just hated the world.

03:39:75

Doria:

Oh my gosh.

03:45:70

Sun Yong:

I wanted to crawl back into my mother’s womb. An orphanage was very very difficult. Every night even though I didn’t see the sun, I would imagine the sky. And there was a moon and I just saw my mother’s face. That’s how bad I was mourning for my mother because I wanted to tell her so badly what happened to us after she passed away.

04:21:47

Doria: 

Right? Gosh, that is so difficult. Are you in touch with your sister today?

04:27:10

Sun Yong:

No, in fact, in 2018, my husband and I and my teenage son went —  this is after I retired, right? So let’s go back to when I retired in 2015.

Looking for her Biological Family

04:57:93

Sun Yong: 

I went to private investigators. No police departments in Mopo and Taegu. I got to revisit the orphanage where I grew up and visited a few people still working there as staff. It was just amazing. 

I didn’t know about my sister’s birthday. The only thing I knew about her was her name. I didn’t even know my mom and dad’s names. So when I went through private investigators, and police station departments, they couldn't help me. They said no.

Sun Yong’s Adoption

05:42:58

Doria: 

How did it come that you became adopted by an American family?

05:45:19

Sun Yong:

So when I lived in that orphanage, it was very harsh: 80 percent of the kids —  maybe 100 percent —  of the kids were all handicapped.

There was a couple from America that was wanting to adopt a special needs child and before that happened there were a couple of Canadian couples, too. 

The orphanage looked me over and wanted to adopt me. They called me into the office and said “you know what, there’s a possibility that somebody may want to adopt you.” The Canadian families — came and looked me over and again I was rejected. 

Inside of me, I feel like there’s another rejection. So it was happening over and over and over. I was sad. When they were looking over at me, looking at me, and trying to talk to me, there was a voice inside of me thinking, “Please take me home. I want to wear pretty clothes. I want to be able to wear clothes that are matching. I want to be able to eat normal food. Taste good food.” I was just really saying those to myself and I couldn’t let them know. 

07:00:80

Doria:

Right? What you want is to have a normal childhood, right?

07:18:10

Sun Yong:

Because what if I said it and they can’t take me home? It will be a bigger rejection. Without even showing them my words, they still rejected me. They still doubted me. 

So this American couple was looking specifically for a special needs child.

And I fit into the category because I did not walk. That’s the reason why my sister took me there, so they could teach me to walk. We didn’t have any occupational therapists. So I had just a staff worker and they would show me how to hang onto a rail and walk with it from one end of the wall to the other side. I just learned to walk that way. I was about 6 or 7 years old when I stood up for the first time without holding onto anything.

09:06:81

Doria:

It’s so symbolic also of your inner life, right? Would you say that your inability to walk —  was it physical or was it psychological?

09:09:80

Sun Yong:

Yes, yes. Both because I feel like nobody showed me how to crawl or even to walk. I have four kids of my own and when I raised them, you know when they’re learning to crawl I would put the toys in front of them and have them try to reach them, right? And there’s, you know, standing up. I would have them hang onto things and I would hold their hands and say, “Come on, come on. Take a walk.” 

09:36:98

Doria: 

Exactly, encourage them. Yes.

09:53:95

Sun Yong:

I never got any of that. I never had toys when I grew up. Never was I celebrating my birthdays or Christmas or anything. Although one year I did get an apple when I was at the orphanage. That one apple —  the only apple that I tasted. It was so good. The only and the last.

10:08:66

Doria:

That really puts things in perspective. That apple was such an amazing gift, right? So this family was looking for a special needs child and you fit into the category that they were looking at. And then what happened next?

12:13:13

Sun Yong:

When I realized I was adopted, I was very self-conscious. I didn’t even have a picture of me. In the adoption agency, all these babies that were being adopted and I was the only one [that was] older. 

One of the ladies was holding a baby and she was hanging onto my hand. I had (my other) hand covering my (top lip hair) because I was so subconscious as a teenager. 

We met at the San Francisco airport. That was the first time that I felt hugged by anybody. They embraced me. And I was just so shy. I just kind of withdrew myself. I just kind of stood there with my head down. I didn’t know what to do. 

13:30:11

Doria:

Of course. And did they understand? Were they able to slowly help you come out of your shell?

13:42:35

Sun Yong:

So they had six of their own kids and they adopted one Canadian child. She was about 4 years old. So I was their eighth child. 

The summer had just started when I arrived. My mother sacrificed a lot. She usually did a lot of canning for the winter. Instead of canning that summer, she taught me English. She knew that when the fall came, I had to learn to listen, how to say hi, how are you, and thank you. You know, basic words because I had no idea. I didn’t know my ABCs. She taught me all that and we did a lot. 

14:37:24

Doria:

You were ready. Yes.

14:46:10

Sun Yong:

Of course. You know, like sign languages, using dictionaries, looking up things like that. I was able to go ahead (to school). 

Early Education

14:54:68

Doria:

How was it academically? Were you able to go to high school at 14? Was that a struggle, as well?

15:05:65

Sun Yong:

Yeah, I started with junior high. It was very very difficult. I would take all special English classes. It would take me about two hours to do homework. I had to look up every single word in the dictionaries. 

I was very very afraid to go back to school. I thought I was going to get punished physically because that’s how we were in the orphanage when we didn’t get homework done. We got beaten with the ruler or even with tree limbs. So I thought that was like that in America, too. 

16:15:65

Doria:

Oh my gosh, right? Well, how would you know exactly?

16:23:60

Sun Yong: 

Yeah, and nobody explained it to me. Nobody knew and they didn’t know what kind of life I lived. So they didn’t know to say, “Hey, it’s okay if you don’t finish it. They’re not going to hurt you.” But I didn’t know that. 

16:26:30

Doria:

It took you a long time as someone who had been abused to unlearn. I think it takes a lifetime almost to unlearn some of those mistrusts. It's so horrible, and what you went through that it’s akin to being in a war. It’s really in my mind. Yes, exactly. You had post-traumatic stress disorder. 

Trauma

17:52:57

Doria:

How many children were in the orphanage?

17:55:70

Sun Yong:

There were, I would say 80 kids. We were separated by boys and girls. 

18:06:25

Doria:

Wow. So some say when you endure trauma — you know, while it has a negative impact — one of the things that it also does is it gives you an incredible resolve. You’re able to focus and achieve more than other people because in a way it’s easier. After all, you know how bad life can be. I don’t know how to explain it. How did your trauma positively affect you, if at all?

18:51:50

Sun Yong:

It worked tremendously. I think that meant having the desire to learn to walk because I had no choice. When I learned that I’m gonna learn to walk so that I could help my friends because then I could push their wheelchairs. That was my goal. That was my turning point where I set myself just I’m gonna learn to and that’s what it is. 

19:17:69

Doria:

To help others. 

19:27:28

Sun Yong:

Another pivotal point was when I had nothing. Yeah, so I think through trauma where I had nothing. I thought about being in America —  being adopted —  I would have a whole new life. A brand new opportunity that I could have. 

Because I don’t have to stay small. I could talk to people. 

21:19:22

Doria:

Yes. Of course, which I would have never done but you were afraid of that, right?

21:20:60

Sun Yong:

My thing is what if they say I was a bad girl? So I did everything I could. Yeah, right. They would have never done that, but I was afraid. It was always hanging over my head. I wanted to prove to myself —  to prove to them how grateful I am that they adopted me. That I had a family that loved me the way I am with all my, you know, handicaps. They fixed my legs. I was in crutches for a whole six months; in a cast for one leg at a time. They fixed me all up and I’m so grateful. Yeah, I was just so grateful just to have a family. They fixed me all up. I could even stand to look in the mirror and I could smile.

History as a Nursing Assistant 

21:58:46

Doria: 

Wow, incredible. Yes, yes, and it’s interesting to me that you then pivoted at some point to become a certified nurse assistant to take care of people. It’s a really interesting career choice. Do you want to talk about that?

22:24:63:

Sun Yong:

Yeah, sure. So when I learned to walk and started pushing my friends in their wheelchairs, they gave me a white dress and started to call me “nurse.” I was only like 7 or 8 years old, you know, and I thought I was kind of cute. That kind of implanted in my mind. 

I got a scholarship to the University of Utah in nursing. After I graduated in May, I went there [in the fall]. I lived there and they paid for everything but my books. 

I stayed in the dorms, and then they told me, you know you’re doing well and you qualify for additional scholarships for RN. I found out what the medical systems here meant. You get to be a nurse in a doctor’s office setting. And I said I want that —  I want that. So that’s what I pivoted to. 

I loved the job. I was satisfied. I was excited to go to work every day. I was working my dream job, truly. Yeah, it filled my heart. 

Financially, I was living in a broken system —  meaning I was working 40-plus hours. I was working on my day off doing catering business. I was doing detailed house cleaning. I did all those things on my weekends and nights after work. I was a single mother. 

I was married to my first husband for 14 years. There was domestic violence, so I filed for divorce. He said, “you’re going to end up on welfare.” I said, not me. I could work. 

25:11:88

Doria:

Yes, and you did. That’s incredible. You give “side hustle” a new definition. You had five side hustles, right? You did what you needed to do to survive. 

25:13:25

Sun Yong:

I can work and that’s what I did. I was living in a broken system financially. Struggling, living paycheck to paycheck, struggling to pay bills, my utilities were being turned off, and all those warnings came and all that. I just worked my butt off. 

I was working for an internal medicine doctor for 20 years of my life. So I saw some of the same people, the same families, the same individuals for 20 years. As I was watching, and observing them, I noticed some very drastic changes in elderly people as they were retiring. They ended up spending all their retirement money that they earned on nursing homes or assisted living. I thought there was no way I’m going to retire late when I get old. I don’t have that kind of life. 

Without learning life lessons from my patients, I never would have decided to retire or even retire early. I knew I was living in a broken system and I had to do something different. So I retired without any money. 

26:48:60

Doria:

How did that come about? That’s so interesting to me. 

26:52:56:

Sun Yong:

Exactly. I heard from my doctor buying stocks all the time. He said he was buying stocks here and there. I thought, “Well that’s just over my head. I can’t afford to do that.” I knew that if I was going to retire, I needed to prepare myself. 

27:20:40

Doria:

What’s amazing to me is that you knew, maybe because of your life, that you had to prepare for retirement. Yet so many Americans even today don’t understand what is going to be at the end of the road for them in terms of how much money they’ll need to get by. The fact that you already were thinking about that 10 years ago is amazing to me. 

27:53:55

Sun Yong:

Yeah, I had to because I didn’t want to go back to living without any money. I was thinking about retiring early in 2014 and I said to my doctor, “I’m going to do this.” He said, “Do you have any money?” And I said no. I had no savings and no checking account. I was a single mom and I knew I could not dip into my pension plan or 401(k if I was going to retire early. That scared me. That got me thinking for a period about what I was going to do. I thought that I would become a real estate investor. And that’s what I did. I retired [from nursing] in 2015 [in December]. I invested in properties using my home equity loan because I had no other money. 

Sun Yong’s “Retirement”

29:28:24

Sun Yong:

That’s the reason I looked into options trading… I asked what it was because I had never heard about it. … I wasn’t computer savvy…  Then, I focused and I thought that some people can’t afford to go to nursing homes or assisted living. And I was still working as a single mother. I was still suffering financially. So, I decided to focus on option trading. I studied it for a whole year. I didn’t have a job for a whole year so I said I was going to discipline myself and treat this as a new job, a new career. 

I started with it as a hobby and then I started to see it as fascinating. I got to kind of do a test drive of sorts. I ended up making $178. I did also lose $5,000. But it was all virtual money. So I lost $50,000 one day or something like that but it was virtual money. 

In 2017, it started becoming real money – my money. I started doing it on a real account. Now, I would have to focus on the negative. I was so afraid that I was going to lose and I never wanted to lose more money. I said I was just going to stop. I would have never found out that I could be a millionaire. If I focused solely on the negatives and the losses, I never would have known the positives. I could still feel the fear, hear the fear. It’s there. That’s okay, but I could continue to go on [with the] losing.

34:52:37

Doria:

Well, and what a mindset change, too. From the little girl who was in an orphanage, who didn’t trust anyone, to believing in yourself enough to have a positive and abundant mindset shift. That’s incredible in itself. For listeners who don’t know what option trading is, is there a way to explain it simply?

35:38:44

Sun Yong:

So a lot of times people will think, I have no money to invest in a stock. That’s how I was with my doctor, right? But in options trading, there’s so much. It’s so much less expensive and so much cheaper. Say you’d like to buy a stock, you know, Boeing, for example. Let’s say it’s like $200 per share and you buy one share. It’s going to cost you quite a bit of money. 

So shares are like a contract. About one share means like plus one or plus 1000. Plus 1000 is a 10 share. 

So there are many different types of strategies within options trading. It can seem very very complicated. Because there are so many specific strategies, I came up with the strategy called the unique miracle system. So this option is when you look at the market and say if a market, say Boeing Company, is going up, then you set up your option trading you choose. A single leg call. It depends on who you talk to, but strategies I implement that I use for my money make anywhere between $30,000 and $50,000 weekly. That’s my norm. 

For me, it only takes maybe two to three minutes to set up [a single leg call]. It’s very easy, very simple. So you could buy, you could get into options to make money or you could sell the option tradings. You know, to get into trading, to sell, to make money. Like if you’re the Boeing market instead of the trader. … That’s how the market works. 

[If you’re the trader] and you see the Boeing market is going up, you want to set up a down trade. Because it’s already hit the highest market and it’s a no-brainer for us to know the market will be going down. And then if you see the market going down, you make an up trade. It’s a no-brainer. 

There are single-leg strategies and there are vertical strategies. You choose two strike prices. That’s what I’m good at because that’s where the most money is. 

40:21:74:

Doria:

Yeah, that’s fascinating. So you came up with your unique miracle system. Do you teach that to people?

40:29:56

Sun Yong:

Yes, I do. I have clients that sign up and I have a free webinar. It’s like the first Saturday of each month. I give the webinar to let them know —  kind of get them going. They go to my Instagram or my LinkTree and they could just sign up. I also have a mentoring session. I think that people need to have this mind shift because the reason I became a millionaire is that I thought there are so many people out there making millions, billions —  and why not me?

You know, nobody told me that I could be a millionaire. But I had to tell myself that I could make more than what the corporate company was paying me. That’s the mind shift. 

41:11:50

Doria:

Yes, and you’ve done it! To such success, which I applaud you for. Look at you! 

41:19:49

Sun Yong:

Thank you.

41:41:50

Doria:

You know, my father mentioned this in an email to me. He’s an immigrant – or was an immigrant. He came to America and was an entrepreneur and then learned about the market. That’s where he made his real money, as well. 

But that was at a time when there was no CNBC. It was like you would wait for the Wall Street Journal to come out and look at the share prices the next day. That was all the information that one had. He had the same mindset that you’re talking about but he was also 24/7 watching the market. Is that what you’re doing?

42:04:69

Sun Yong:

No, that’s one of the things the traders do, 24/7 watching the market. So a lot of the day traders will spend their time in front of the computer. I do not want to live that kind of lifestyle. So the strategies I use are to go into my trade and trace. Then I preset my closing order right away. For example, during this interview, some of my trades are closing as we speak. And I’m making the profits just like that. That’s the beauty of it that I like. 

A couple of years ago, we went to Disney World. I was looking at my computer and realized I made $3,000 while I was gone from a trade. What a wonderful thing that I didn’t have to stare at my computer all day, right? All you have to do is take the time to think about the options and set your options to have an expired day. You get to decide when you want them to expire… you could have it expire whenever you want them to expire. 

There’s one thing I wanted to mention to your audience, as well. The day that you’re going to close rather is the expiration day. A lot of times I ended up closing before the expiration day. The day that I’m going to close is the day that I’m going to look at the market specifically and see if I could make an extra thousand dollars if the market is going up. So that’s when I kind of look at it more closely. 

A lot of times I just set my trades and then I set a pre-closing order. Then I just go about my regular life. 

44:14:60

Doria:

Where do you get your information from?

44:29:10

Sun Yong:

I studied it. I studied the markets and the charts. Every morning the markets open at 7–7:30 a.m. I look at the pre-market very briefly. You’ll see a bearish market —  and that means red —  and you’ll see bearish —  which means green. I’ll tell my clients don’t be fooled because just the overall is bearish. It doesn’t mean that the trade is right now. It just means it’s open. 

It’s not always bearish. Like right now, Home Depot is in a down market. But that tells me to pay attention to Home Depot, even though it’s a down trade. But if it continues to go down, I’m going to close on it. It’s already reached the bottom lowest market; it won’t last. It’s all about looking at the chart and coming up with something specific. 

45:47:49

Doria:

I think that’s something that makes you so unique because you have this ability to study and interpret the data. I think many Americans are sadly not able to do that or are not willing. I’m not sure which. 

What would you like to say to our listeners? I know you have two books and I would love for you to tell our audience what you would say if you are learning about investing for the first time. Where would you start?

Hard-won Advice

46:32:24

Sun Yong:

Well, it’s very important to get a coach or a mentor. When you’re trying to learn on your own, a lot of time you end up wasting your money and time. And the results will take much much longer.

I wished there was another person like me when I was trying to learn, trying to make money. I was seeing then that if I was seeing a mentor, I would definitely like do everything and learn anything. Oftentimes, they’re doing the strategy and teaching you. You need to be disciplined and willing to take risks and spend money. 

Nothing in life is free. If you don’t take the risk, you’re not gonna find the result. There’s no reward. I wouldn’t be where I am without that mindset. 

48:09:10

Doria:

What is the most you’ve ever made? What is the most you’ve ever lost?

48:24:26

Sun Yong:

I would say the most I have lost within a week is maybe $10,000 and that’s with two or three trades. The most I’ve made within a week is $80,000. 

What I would tell your audience is if you have a project you’ve been putting off because you have no money, you have to work another job as I did. Get a real mentor or a coach and put energy into learning the skills, and knowledge, and keep up with the market. I tell my clients if a doctor graduated from medical school 30 years ago – you go to that doctor and that doctor uses the same medication or the same procedures – you don’t want that doctor. They’re not willing to look into a new way and you know [other] procedures do it a faster way. You don’t want to get that same doctor from 30 years ago. 

50.32.60

Doria:

What are some red flags that you know to look out for? What do people need to be careful about?

50:42:42:

Sun Yong:

They need to be careful about who they are learning from because you could learn this stuff for free. I have a YouTube channel and [they] could watch [that]. You could pick up some tips and things like that. I have a lot of clients come to me and say they tried to do it on their own for 30 years; no buying and selling stocks and they took option classes from somebody else. They waited to learn from me. I’ve been told by clients that [other mentors] take their money and they never could get hold of them. So the clients want a mentor to look at their personalities and show their proof. So in other words, people come to my webinar every first Saturday of each month. 

I’m able to show them the proof of where I took my husband’s retirement money [and] … I turned that into $604,000 —  in not 11 years, but 11 months. You want them to be able to see the proof. They need to know you’re keeping up with the current market and that they can show that what they made is right. 

I have testimonials that [audiences] can call. I show that on my webinar, you know, lists of the testimonials: how much they made, how much they lost, and things like that are important because of our market. 

Sun Yong’s Books

52:44:19

Doria:

We’re at the end of our talk, but I would love for you to let our audience know about the books that you have written. If you could let us know about those and then about where people can learn more about you?

53:07:80

Sun Yong:

Okay, sure. I wrote a book called Invest In Yourself. It’s funny because I couldn’t invest myself when I was an orphan. I had nothing. I didn’t even think about investing but when I was given an opportunity —  we get so many opportunities given to us in our life. 

In our journey, you have to take opportunities. When I was given an opportunity to have a home, and a family —  to love them and trust them —  and I decided somebody needed to invest in me, I took that literally. You have to invest in yourself. I want to invest in my daughter, my son, and my grandkids, but you have to learn to invest in yourself [first]. Otherwise, no one listens to you because if your life is like willy-nilly —  you’re poor and you’re getting by, you know, without —  then it says I’m not going to invest in you. So you have to learn to invest in yourself before you can help others. This book is a helpful tool book. It’s about how I learned to invest in myself. So now I’m investing in other people to help them to invest their own life: financially, mentally, physically, in every place.

54:18:80

Doria:

I love, that it’s all tied in. Yes!

54:21:97

Sun Yong:

Yes! Then my husband and I wrote a book together. It’s called Opposite/Opposites. When I met my [second] husband online, I thought I had a jackpot because he didn’t smoke, or drink, he was a Catholic, willing, just, and had a good paying working job for the government. I thought I had won the jackpot, right? Because I have had a really bad relationship; I’ve been abused by boyfriends [and my first husband]. You know, a lot of different kinds of abuse throughout my life by men. Because I didn’t have any self-confidence. I didn’t have any boundaries. I didn’t have any of those things that I needed to learn. When I married him, he was nice but he was the opposite of me. I’m like, “Why don’t you exercise? You’ve gotta be kidding me, you have to exercise because you have to have good health. Why make money if you don’t have good health? How are you gonna enjoy your money? You’re gonna end up spending your money on doctor's bills.” Anyway, we wrote a book, and this, funnily, is also a tool. It helps couples with how they could stay married even if they’re the opposite of each other and go ahead in life. 

55:35:21:

Doria:

So is it like having a money conversation? Were you guys also different in terms of how you viewed money?

55:41:91

Sun Yong:

Yes, yes, he didn’t want to be an author. He said he doesn’t like to talk. We wrote this book just because we’re so opposite and we were on the verge of going through a divorce. My husband and I are so opposite I found out. I’ve been with him for about 15 years. About five years ago, we were on our way to a restaurant and he was just driving around the parking lot. I asked what he was doing and he said he couldn’t find the restaurant. We had been there before, but he said he couldn’t find it. There was construction or something. I was on the phone with somebody else and he was just going in circles and I was getting dizzy, and I was hungry. We got done with the business meeting and I hung up the phone. I said, “Couldn’t you call the restaurant?” And he said, “No, I don’t like to talk.” I said, “You gotta be kidding me. You’re just telling me that you don’t like to talk. I would have never married you.” 

57:16:72:

Doria:

That’s such a stereotypical male thing. But I’ve known it to be true myself. Men don’t like to ask for directions.

57:24:30

Sun Yong:

Yes, we were only like 50 feet away. I called the restaurant. I was angry.

57:49:20

Doria:

Yeah! Oh my goodness, it has been such an inspiration to speak to you today, Sun Yong. I’m so grateful for you telling your story authentically and I will be sure that any listeners can find all of your books and your resources. I think that there’s so much to be learned from your life. Thank you for sharing it. 

58:19:36

Sun Yong:

Thank you, Doria. I appreciate this opportunity. I think that my life was such a mess and such a disaster, that I didn’t want to share. But, you know, your messy life’s message could save someone. They could achieve their financial goals, they could teach their kids, and you know it’s a generation zone. I realize the endpoint of sharing my message that I held up for so many years because I didn’t want to share it. It was just such a trauma that I went through so I am grateful. And I appreciate this opportunity that I get to be interviewed by you and your special podcast. SheVentures is awesome. I appreciate it. 

59:00:95

Doria:

Ah, thank you!

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